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To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead' - Thomas Paine -- Founding Fathers, quotes, reason

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, that that of blindoflded fear." -  Thomas Jefferson-- founding fathers, reason, quotes, faith,

"An alliance or coalition between government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against.. every new and successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance... religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government" - James Madison  "We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our volk.. [the national government].. will take Christianity as the basis of our common morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under it's firm protection" - Adolf Hitler -- Separation of church and state - There seems to be some disagreement